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		<title>By: Kishore Joshi</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4999</link>
		<dc:creator>Kishore Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You for this discussion.

1. It is very difficult for an unknown author to get in touch with the Traditional Publishers and whatever you send to them is called Unsolicited Mail or submission.

2. Every blogger is ready with a &quot;novella&quot; nowadays in a matter of days, as research has become easy &#039;on the net&#039; and so invariably every Publisher faces a problem of &quot;Spam&quot; novel.

It took me four years to write, re-write, edit and re-edit the book and finally settle with Lulu.com as the publisher.
  
Although I have to do most of the Promotional Activities for the book on my own, I am happy with the response that I have got for my book and the newly edited version of my book is available at http://www.lulu.com/content/3990391. 

The book is available for download only for One U.S. dollar printed version for USD 10/-. Although the printed version seems expensive, I am happy that the interest in the book has staryted growing among the Indian - Thai -American readers. 

All this has been made possible by this new technology called Print-on-Demand. 

Kishore Joshi
“Author”
One Step At A Time (Manzilein)
By
Kishore Joshi
http://www.lulu.com/content/3990391</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You for this discussion.</p>
<p>1. It is very difficult for an unknown author to get in touch with the Traditional Publishers and whatever you send to them is called Unsolicited Mail or submission.</p>
<p>2. Every blogger is ready with a &#8220;novella&#8221; nowadays in a matter of days, as research has become easy &#8216;on the net&#8217; and so invariably every Publisher faces a problem of &#8220;Spam&#8221; novel.</p>
<p>It took me four years to write, re-write, edit and re-edit the book and finally settle with Lulu.com as the publisher.</p>
<p>Although I have to do most of the Promotional Activities for the book on my own, I am happy with the response that I have got for my book and the newly edited version of my book is available at <a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3990391" >http://www.lulu.com/content/3990391</a>. </p>
<p>The book is available for download only for One U.S. dollar printed version for USD 10/-. Although the printed version seems expensive, I am happy that the interest in the book has staryted growing among the Indian &#8211; Thai -American readers. </p>
<p>All this has been made possible by this new technology called Print-on-Demand. </p>
<p>Kishore Joshi<br />
“Author”<br />
One Step At A Time (Manzilein)<br />
By<br />
Kishore Joshi<br />
<a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3990391" >http://www.lulu.com/content/3990391</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Beattie</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4844</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the ideas, guys.

Darc, Glenn - Let it be known that you guys are awesome. As far as Oasis goes, whether it gets published (traditionally) or not, it won&#039;t be the last book I write. And the next one(s) will be even better. 

William - I really like Lulu. It&#039;s one of two POD places that I&#039;d consider using. Also, I don&#039;t worry about embarrassment anymore. I&#039;ve got thick skin and a desire to write.

And I also have a couple of other projects going that will require self-publishing. One of which is the alluded-to memoir of my grandfather. He assembled it using a 286, typewriters and many photocopiers. There are only a couple of spiral bound copies floating around, and I&#039;d love to make a good hardcover or softcover available to the extended family (and he had 5 kids, so there are plenty of us). So I&#039;ll still be discussing self-publishing on this blog whether Random House comes beating down my door or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the ideas, guys.</p>
<p>Darc, Glenn &#8211; Let it be known that you guys are awesome. As far as Oasis goes, whether it gets published (traditionally) or not, it won&#8217;t be the last book I write. And the next one(s) will be even better. </p>
<p>William &#8211; I really like Lulu. It&#8217;s one of two POD places that I&#8217;d consider using. Also, I don&#8217;t worry about embarrassment anymore. I&#8217;ve got thick skin and a desire to write.</p>
<p>And I also have a couple of other projects going that will require self-publishing. One of which is the alluded-to memoir of my grandfather. He assembled it using a 286, typewriters and many photocopiers. There are only a couple of spiral bound copies floating around, and I&#8217;d love to make a good hardcover or softcover available to the extended family (and he had 5 kids, so there are plenty of us). So I&#8217;ll still be discussing self-publishing on this blog whether Random House comes beating down my door or not.</p>
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		<title>By: S William Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4837</link>
		<dc:creator>S William Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more point...so many of the published novels I read are - well, crap. Sorry for being blunt, but they are. Don&#039;t worry about laying yourself out there. The fact that you are concerned says to me that you probably write well. Those who don&#039;t care usually turn out unpolished blather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more point&#8230;so many of the published novels I read are &#8211; well, crap. Sorry for being blunt, but they are. Don&#8217;t worry about laying yourself out there. The fact that you are concerned says to me that you probably write well. Those who don&#8217;t care usually turn out unpolished blather.</p>
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		<title>By: S William Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4836</link>
		<dc:creator>S William Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, my self-pubs were featured in some nice magazines. Paramount Airways, an India airline, even featured one of my books in their in-flight magazine.

Anything is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, my self-pubs were featured in some nice magazines. Paramount Airways, an India airline, even featured one of my books in their in-flight magazine.</p>
<p>Anything is possible.</p>
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		<title>By: S William Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4835</link>
		<dc:creator>S William Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received a ton of good agent interest, but never landed a agent. So I self-published. There are a ton of self-pubs that are rushed, with horrible typos and stinky editing. If you clean up your novel well, I would self-pub. There are a number of good authors who self-pubbed and landed deals. Look professional, first and foremost.

What are the dangers in self publishing?

   1. Public Embarrassment - Only if you have typos and grammar errors
   2. “Death of writing carrier” - Nope. Not at all. This is a new era, being written by us. Agents won&#039;t care about your 800 self-pubs if they find one they like
   3. Loss of “First Printing Rights” ability to sell to a “real” publisher - most likely if you land a real pub, you won&#039;t sell many anyway. Your old material won&#039;t be worth purchasing for your new pub company.
   4. Hidden Costs - Lulu all the way. Low, low up front. Easy to put on Amazon. Quality work. No hidden costs.
   5. Obscurity - It&#039;s hard for most published authors to get noticed. Heck, most of them don&#039;t have a blog anywhere near the quality of yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a ton of good agent interest, but never landed a agent. So I self-published. There are a ton of self-pubs that are rushed, with horrible typos and stinky editing. If you clean up your novel well, I would self-pub. There are a number of good authors who self-pubbed and landed deals. Look professional, first and foremost.</p>
<p>What are the dangers in self publishing?</p>
<p>   1. Public Embarrassment &#8211; Only if you have typos and grammar errors<br />
   2. “Death of writing carrier” &#8211; Nope. Not at all. This is a new era, being written by us. Agents won&#8217;t care about your 800 self-pubs if they find one they like<br />
   3. Loss of “First Printing Rights” ability to sell to a “real” publisher &#8211; most likely if you land a real pub, you won&#8217;t sell many anyway. Your old material won&#8217;t be worth purchasing for your new pub company.<br />
   4. Hidden Costs &#8211; Lulu all the way. Low, low up front. Easy to put on Amazon. Quality work. No hidden costs.<br />
   5. Obscurity &#8211; It&#8217;s hard for most published authors to get noticed. Heck, most of them don&#8217;t have a blog anywhere near the quality of yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4834</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce,
     Never doubt yourself and your ability. From my perspective, OASIS is a GREAT book and needs to be published. There is a lot of serious crap out there that is published. I was lucky enough to have gotten a copy of Tony Monchinski&#039;s book EDEN and good grief, it was truly an excellent read. His is taking off really good. Another writer, Rhiannon Frater who I think I&#039;ve told you about, she&#039;s self published and is doing very well. It&#039;s going to sound corny as hell, but I&#039;m going to say it anyhow. A quote if you will. &quot;The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself&quot;. You&#039;re good Bryce, don&#039;t let fear, self doubt, or anything that the &quot;mean kids&quot; say to you stop you from your ultimate goal. And to take a quote from the DarcKnyte: And I&#039;ll say no more about it. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce,<br />
     Never doubt yourself and your ability. From my perspective, OASIS is a GREAT book and needs to be published. There is a lot of serious crap out there that is published. I was lucky enough to have gotten a copy of Tony Monchinski&#8217;s book EDEN and good grief, it was truly an excellent read. His is taking off really good. Another writer, Rhiannon Frater who I think I&#8217;ve told you about, she&#8217;s self published and is doing very well. It&#8217;s going to sound corny as hell, but I&#8217;m going to say it anyhow. A quote if you will. &#8220;The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself&#8221;. You&#8217;re good Bryce, don&#8217;t let fear, self doubt, or anything that the &#8220;mean kids&#8221; say to you stop you from your ultimate goal. And to take a quote from the DarcKnyte: And I&#8217;ll say no more about it. <img src='http://www.storyhack.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kishore Joshi</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4833</link>
		<dc:creator>Kishore Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  think a book sells on its own - whether you self-publish or use a traditional publisher.

Buying a book is an &quot;impulse-buy&quot; decision. You can still see people picking up a Kahlil Gibran over a Dan Brown book in a book store in India - although Kahlil Gibran has never been advertised, never been talked about. 

Godfather, Fountainhead, any Sidney Sheldon book and Mills and Boon get picked up everyday in India without even trying.

It is important to note that some of the Popular Authors have died more than hundred years ago.

I think, for an author, it is important to be honest while writing the story, give it your best and let word of mouth work or use any other promotional method to promote the book.

It doesn&#039;t matter whether you go the trditional way or not.

Learn the value of patience. Try your best, always!

Kishore Joshi
&quot;Author&quot;
One Step At A Time (Manzilein)
By 
Kishore Joshi
http://www.lulu.com/content/3887376</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  think a book sells on its own &#8211; whether you self-publish or use a traditional publisher.</p>
<p>Buying a book is an &#8220;impulse-buy&#8221; decision. You can still see people picking up a Kahlil Gibran over a Dan Brown book in a book store in India &#8211; although Kahlil Gibran has never been advertised, never been talked about. </p>
<p>Godfather, Fountainhead, any Sidney Sheldon book and Mills and Boon get picked up everyday in India without even trying.</p>
<p>It is important to note that some of the Popular Authors have died more than hundred years ago.</p>
<p>I think, for an author, it is important to be honest while writing the story, give it your best and let word of mouth work or use any other promotional method to promote the book.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether you go the trditional way or not.</p>
<p>Learn the value of patience. Try your best, always!</p>
<p>Kishore Joshi<br />
&#8220;Author&#8221;<br />
One Step At A Time (Manzilein)<br />
By<br />
Kishore Joshi<br />
<a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3887376" >http://www.lulu.com/content/3887376</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julie Trelstad</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4829</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Trelstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative to self-publishing is to set yourself up as your own publishing house by purchasing your own block of 10 ISBN numbers from ISBN.org and printing your book with one of the POD printing services without handing over any publishing rights whatsoever. 

The odds for unpublished author to get a reasonable publishing deal (and as a former acquisitions editor I know this) are very small, and if you are ready to share your work and you&#039;re willing to take responsibility for selling, why wait?

If your goal is to sell the book to a publisher, produce it the same way a publisher would -- hire an editor and a professional designer. You&#039;ll also need to plan to actively market your book. A professionally produced book with a solid sales and a good review or two is absolutely going to be more attractive to a bigger publisher than a manuscript from an undiscovered writer (though if you&#039;re successful in selling it you might not want to give it up.) Publishers are not looking for great writing, they are looking for something that they can sell. 

Good Luck!
Julie Trelstad
Publisher, Plain White Press</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative to self-publishing is to set yourself up as your own publishing house by purchasing your own block of 10 ISBN numbers from ISBN.org and printing your book with one of the POD printing services without handing over any publishing rights whatsoever. </p>
<p>The odds for unpublished author to get a reasonable publishing deal (and as a former acquisitions editor I know this) are very small, and if you are ready to share your work and you&#8217;re willing to take responsibility for selling, why wait?</p>
<p>If your goal is to sell the book to a publisher, produce it the same way a publisher would &#8212; hire an editor and a professional designer. You&#8217;ll also need to plan to actively market your book. A professionally produced book with a solid sales and a good review or two is absolutely going to be more attractive to a bigger publisher than a manuscript from an undiscovered writer (though if you&#8217;re successful in selling it you might not want to give it up.) Publishers are not looking for great writing, they are looking for something that they can sell. </p>
<p>Good Luck!<br />
Julie Trelstad<br />
Publisher, Plain White Press</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4828</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self Publishing can be a rewarding endeavor.
Either way you are the one who must push sales of your books.
My understanding is that the big publishers are looking for good business models.
If you can show them that you were able to sell 10,000 books through a Self Publishing model they will probably see the opportunity to take you into the fold.
If you are that successful you will possibly want to Keep doing it on your own and keep the lion share of the profits.
The Publishing world is changing!
Joel Turner
www.thegreatamericanpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self Publishing can be a rewarding endeavor.<br />
Either way you are the one who must push sales of your books.<br />
My understanding is that the big publishers are looking for good business models.<br />
If you can show them that you were able to sell 10,000 books through a Self Publishing model they will probably see the opportunity to take you into the fold.<br />
If you are that successful you will possibly want to Keep doing it on your own and keep the lion share of the profits.<br />
The Publishing world is changing!<br />
Joel Turner<br />
<a href="http://www.thegreatamericanpress.com" >http://www.thegreatamericanpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DarcKnyt</title>
		<link>http://www.storyhack.com/2008/10/10/does-self-publishing-make-real-publishing-impossible/comment-page-1/#comment-4827</link>
		<dc:creator>DarcKnyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of thoughts on this.  I try to discourage people from going this route for a lot of reasons until and unless they&#039;ve exhausted their other options.  Opinions vary, but you&#039;ve provided most of the information on both sides here.  Does self-publishing prevent an author from being picked up by the traditional publishing industry?  Not always.  Will the self-published work be picked up?  Almost definitely not, and if the self-published work is part of a series, the entire series might be passed on.  But nothing&#039;s impossible.

I only suggest to you that you try publishing &lt;i&gt;Oasis&lt;/i&gt; traditionally because, A) I thought you wanted to be a professional published author in the traditional industry, and B) I think &lt;i&gt;Oasis&lt;/i&gt; is good, strong writing and would be a commercial success.  But you&#039;ve stated different goals here than I understood, and we&#039;re all different, striving for different things, with different objectives.  If self-publishing is the best route for you to go with your work, and you&#039;re going to hit your objectives best that way, then by all means self-publish.

And I&#039;ll say no more about it.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of thoughts on this.  I try to discourage people from going this route for a lot of reasons until and unless they&#8217;ve exhausted their other options.  Opinions vary, but you&#8217;ve provided most of the information on both sides here.  Does self-publishing prevent an author from being picked up by the traditional publishing industry?  Not always.  Will the self-published work be picked up?  Almost definitely not, and if the self-published work is part of a series, the entire series might be passed on.  But nothing&#8217;s impossible.</p>
<p>I only suggest to you that you try publishing <i>Oasis</i> traditionally because, A) I thought you wanted to be a professional published author in the traditional industry, and B) I think <i>Oasis</i> is good, strong writing and would be a commercial success.  But you&#8217;ve stated different goals here than I understood, and we&#8217;re all different, striving for different things, with different objectives.  If self-publishing is the best route for you to go with your work, and you&#8217;re going to hit your objectives best that way, then by all means self-publish.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll say no more about it.  <img src='http://www.storyhack.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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